Fireside Chat with Mike Billington—November 22, 2016

 






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  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-26 22:37:40 -0500
    You are not honorable or professional.
  • Tom Toki
    commented 2016-11-26 20:24:12 -0500
    LH,

    You are almost doing OK for being either 1) a non-English-speaking human or 2) a bot – almost, but you are not quite making any sense. You spill words like a drunk purges his excess indulgence. Heave once more, my sozzled friend, and let us be done.

    ciao, y’all,

    toktomi
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-26 19:58:15 -0500
    What i write is intentional, but it is nothing personal. I can go on and on about how you are taking this, but you may get more upset. Try to read it all again, and reconsider what this is about.
  • Tom Toki
    commented 2016-11-26 17:54:43 -0500
    L.H. ~

    “bare no fruit”.?.

    I find nothing appealing☺ about baring fruit. But your subconscious nod to my metaphor of bearing fruit is noted.

    You seem to be keen on keeping things simple so let us simply allow this conversation to lapse on your attempts to make it personal [“You missed the point.” – lol] and to insult my contributions [“circular holepunching” – right!]. So, I will pass on your provocations beyond my snotty “baring fruit” comment – do not come back at me.

    peace,

    toktomi
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-26 08:32:14 -0500
    You missed the point. Shall we lead the conscious in a direction that gets us nowhere? I appreciate your regard to debate, but i cannot spend my time in circular holepunching that will definitely bare no fruit.
  • Tom Toki
    commented 2016-11-25 15:49:14 -0500
    Dear, Lawrence Henni,

    You ask, “how is it that your brain has stated an absolute truth”.

    I apologize for my sloppy manner of writing. Please, understand that it is not my intention to attempt to state an absolute truth. To that end I offer in my closing my admission that my words reflect only my personal opinion and that “I could be wrong”.

    Regarding “right and wrong” I would offer my belief in right and wrong, not as universal truths but as personal commitments or personal morality. Right and wrong are not universally held concepts. Indeed moral relativism is 7.5 billion strong on planet Earth.

    Regarding “absolute truth [as] a logical necessity”, well, to me that is simply illogical if one cannot discern between the existence of truth and the human ability to know truth. Oh, and may I offer that the term “absolute truth” is probably redundant in that all truth is absolute.

    Regarding what humanists believe, I would not attempt to speak for them and I would suggest the same for you. Regarding the actions and beliefs of a suicide bomber, I can offer only that my personal morality would surely come into direct opposition to such ideology or behavior in the event of a confrontation.

    If you are interested in a short video that elegantly demonstrates that the human brain experiences nothing of the universe but only “hears about” it as a form of hearsay from the body’s sensory organs and nervous system [and therefore, cannot “know” anything about the Universe], here are seven beautiful minutes from YouTube on auditory transduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeTriGTENoc. The Organ of Corti: “That ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it.”

    To draw the disparate close to your heart
    To feel the beat that makes them one part.

    Please, let me assure you that I know nothing, that these are only my opinions, and that I could be wrong.

    toktomi
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-25 04:52:46 -0500
    Tom Toki, i must also mention that knowledge in not an illusion.
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-25 04:44:58 -0500
    Is that how we can back a currency by more than just gold and silver? Are the standards of weights and measures more inclusive and accurate now rather than when the US Constitution was drafted? Has platinum or irridium or plutonium always been valued at the very high prices they are today?
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-25 04:32:44 -0500
    Physical assets and nonphysical assets(like intellectual property) are used to obtain and maintain inalienable natural rights and are traded in commerce. I think dollars, or currencies should be directly associated and accurately assessed to the physical and nonphysical assets relativity to the inalienable natural rights of all humankind.
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-25 04:03:56 -0500
    Tom Toki, of the thoughts you offered however, should you consider what is right and wrong. Just to indicate some insight on only one part of what i read, but could indicate many more. If, as you say, “possession of absolute truth, a condition which is quite literally an impossibility for the human brain”, then how is it that your brain has stated this as an absolute truth, are you not human? Therefore, i would like to offer the following reference from a pulication called “Absolute Truth” at http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/absolute-truth.htm, that says"Absolute Truth vs. Relativism
    While absolute truth is a logical necessity, there are some religious orientations (atheistic humanists, for example) who argue against the existence of absolute truth. Humanism’s exclusion of God necessitates moral relativism. Humanist John Dewey (1859-1952), co-author and signer of the Humanist Manifesto 1 (1933), declared, “There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes.” Humanists believe one should do, as one feels is right." Do you think that sucide bombers feel what they are doing is right?
  • Tom Toki
    commented 2016-11-25 01:21:55 -0500
    Amazing!

    After listening to this “fireside chat” I feel like my world picture has been augmented in a positive way.

    However, I would like to offer the following thoughts.

    What distinguishes ideological extremists from rational individuals is their total blindness to the possibility that their viewpoints could be completely wrong and their lack of understanding that their viewpoints can never be proven to be right.

    In other words, ideological extremism is about being convinced that one is in possession of absolute truth, a condition which is quite literally an impossibility for the human brain.

    When all of the great notions can be brought together as a unified complete human expression consistent with the understanding that knowledge is an illusion, then might there be an opportunity for the species to bear fruit.

    Of course, I could be wrong.

    toktomi
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-23 23:44:11 -0500
    This is a principal for redirection, not derivation, of credit, currency. And yes, understanding and mastering natural laws of all matter is for the benefit of all of mankind, and it is an inalienable natural right for all humankind.
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-23 23:00:06 -0500
    Would you call what i write practical by any sense of the means?
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-23 22:41:44 -0500
    Currency issued by, to and for the value?
  • Lawrence Henni
    commented 2016-11-23 22:40:16 -0500
    Amber, i would say there is no derivation of credit, because the source of currency created by the bank is issued by the value. The value is the inalienable rights. Besides, what you say is “so called human capital of creativity” is a labor, by choice, a natural right of all humankind. We are not capital! Maybe it is that what you write is a bit to interpret, but what and where really is the true intention of it?
  • Amber Smith
    commented 2016-11-23 12:24:26 -0500
    This in response to Roch Steinbach, a specific project need not be named but it is necessary to state the generative principle
    for credit in a national bank and it’s shared investments internationally. That must indicate that the principle driving the derivation
    of credit for either direct investment or future investment must be in the so called human capital of creativity, not labor, not specific types
    of projects, but that which nurtures the self defining spirit of discovery of the universal secrets of the world, and the placing of that as that
    which is the only definition for considering research, development, investments in projects. In other words, it must be consistent with what
    is human about humans. Understanding and mastering the laws of the universe for the benefit of all of mankind. That is our purpose in life,
    that defines our economy in the so called practical sense.
  • Amber Smith
    commented 2016-11-23 12:24:24 -0500
    This in response to Roch Steinbach, a specific project need not be named but it is necessary to state the generative principle
    for credit in a national bank and it’s shared investments internationally. That must indicate that the principle driving the derivation
    of credit for either direct investment or future investment must be in the so called human capital of creativity, not labor, not specific types
    of projects, but that which nurtures the self defining spirit of discovery of the universal secrets of the world, and the placing of that as that
    which is the only definition for considering research, development, investments in projects. In other words, it must be consistent with what
    is human about humans. Understanding and mastering the laws of the universe for the benefit of all of mankind. That is our purpose in life,
    that defines our economy in the so called practical sense.
  • Roch Steinbach
    commented 2016-11-22 21:57:04 -0500
    MIke:

    In the revival of national Banking, it occurs to me that the currency of a new National Bank must not only be defined generally as directed for the General Welfare, but that also the currency also needs to be defined IN ADVANCE by the Great Projects which it is intended to finance. IN other words, while in the order of time, the establishment of a national Bank must come ahead of the execution of any actual projects which it will finance, NEVERTHELSS, ontologically it looks like the GREAT PROJECTS such as lunar He3 mining, must be iidentified and developed IN ADVANCE of the Bank itself, and those projects must define the the charter of the bank “from the future” and also define the credit-based currency to be issued.
  • Gerald Pechenuk
    commented 2016-11-22 17:58:09 -0500
    A question for the chat came in from LPAC activist Charles L. in Seatle, Washington, He asks, " 1. About a year ago, Lyn made a statement:
    “Wall Street Intends to kill you with hyperinflation”

    Since then, there has been inflation but not hyperinflation
    with some items even deflating such as food and gas prices
    despite low or negative interest rates.
    The British Empire’s spokesman, Lord Turner has even suggested that
    we are in a “deflationary” trap.

    I think that the reason there has not been a serious breakout
    to the upside with inflation is China’s growth engine.

    What is your take on this? Thanks, Charles in Seattle
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